More "Fact" Checking

We are hearing more and more misinformation from the NO City people. Now we find the following distortions being presented as facts. We respond with the Real Facts.

Still Undecided? Nine Things to Consider

1) Your Taxes will definitely be higher. Based on the feasibility study, that we are now supposed to ignore, the average homeowner in Peachtree Corners will pay several hundred dollars in additional taxes and fees for goods and services we already pay for and receive from the county.

FACT: The purpose of the Feasibility Study was to determine if the city would be financially viable. It is not intended to be a budget. The Mayor and City Council will create a budget based on facts once we become a city. The Feasibility Study did show that worst case costs were less than $800,000. Also, potential sources of revenue were over $3,000,000. Franchise Fees, that we already pay, comprised $1,000,000. The revenue estimates were conservative. It is clear that it may be possible in the long run to finance the services we have chosen just through Franchise Fees. It is also clear that we will not need a full mill of tax to finance city activities.

See the addendum at the end for calculating your possible out of pocket costs.

2) Your Trash Hauler's rate from the city likely wont (sic) be any less than you are paying now, since the YES side anounced (sic) they have no idea if they can get it cheaper or not.

FACT: We know that there will be at least some savings on trash based on the density of the Peachtree Corners population. It is less expensive to do trash pickup here as it requires less gas, trucks and personnel. The county averaged the high cost areas in with the low cost areas. So we are now subsidizing the less dense areas of the county. So while we won’t know the actual cost until our elected officials negotiate the contract, common sense dictates there will be savings.

3) No one can Annex your property unless you have 2 agreeing parties. This is Georgia Law. If Norcross wanted to annex Peachtree Corners, they would have done it back in the 80'-90's when this area's technology boom was happening.

FACT: Go to the GA Municipal Association Web Site and read the facts. Five ways to annex. Only one absolutely requires a vote, Resolution and Referendum Method. One may require a vote depending on the makeup of the types of property, Local Legislation Method. Two only require requests to be annexed. The 100 Percent Method is as implied, all must request to be annexed. But the 60 Percent Method allows you to be annexed if 60% or more of your neighbors choose to be annexed. You don’t have a choice under that circumstance. Last is the Annexation of Unincorporated Islands. No vote required.

4) Code enforcement will be outsourced to a company that compensates their employees on a commission basis. If modeled after the other surrounding cities, it will be a primary source of revenue for the new city, and a nightmare to all residents. Ask some friends in John's Creek and Berkeley Lake.

FACT: First, our elected officials will decide, with input from the community, how code enforcement will work. It is expected that it will be contracted out because we may need more enforcement to start than later on. Contracting this allows us to shrink this work force as the need decreases. We did some research on the reports from John’s Creek. There is no evidence of “nightmares” there.

We did have one gentleman speak at a meeting to the compliance issue. There is an apartment complex along Winters Chapel Road that is in Dunwoody. It was falling into disrepair and littered with trash. This gentleman complained about the fact the owner of these apartments now had to take out a loan to fix the problem. If that is the “nightmare” referred to, we can all probably agree that if the owner had properly maintained that property all along, no loans would be required now. In general, if a property owner demonstrates good faith and addresses the issue in a timely fashion, many fines are waived. You have the additional protection of easy access to your representatives if you feel that you were cited improperly.

5) Property values will still be based on economic conditions. Until the economy improves we will not see a change.

FACT: We will probably not see an immediate uptick in property values. However, long term, our values will be enhanced.

6) No one on the Peachtree Corners Ballot Committee stands to gain anything financial, The other side cannot say that. The proposed salaries have already gone up and we haven't even gone to the polls yet. What will happen if they are elected?

FACT: No one on the Peachtree Corners Yes side stands to gain financially either. What the logic is for this statement is unclear. As stated earlier, the feasibility Study was not a budget. The amount for these salaries was based on an extrapolation from other cities in the areas. The decision was made when the charter was finalized to allow the Mayor $9,000 and the City Council members $8,000 per year, before tax. Any council member who tries to raise their salary would likely be voted out of office at the next election. Given the amount of time these folks will be spending serving the city, this will probably work out to be below the minimum wage rate. How anyone can believe this amounts to “financial gain”, well ….

7) The Charter allows the new city to impose additional taxes, assesments (sic), and other fees, without going to a vote to the taxpayers. It's all in the Charter and feasibility study (that they want you to ignore).

FACT: The Feasibility Study specifically states the Business License and other fees will still be collected by the county. The city will not receive these. As stated earlier, the city is expected to be able to fund most, if not all operations from Franchise fees. There would be no reason to have to resort to any other fees or taxes. Just because a power is listed in the Charter does not mean that the city is allowed to exercise it if it is not required in the context of the services we will provide.

8) Our community leaders (sic) definition of "self determination" (sic) is for their own self, not yours. As Thomas Jefferson warned, "It is the nature of government to grow." Before the election, they talk of "self determination"(sic) after the election it will be "selfish determination".

FACT: Our government can only grow as a result of a referendum by the citizens of Peachtree Corners. We want the right to determine the quality of life we want in our own community. If that is “Selfish determination”, then so be it.

9) Voting "NO" is not only an option, it's a right. It's your choice, it's your right. Exercise your right.

FACT: Of course you can vote NO. This argument is just silly. If you truly believe that Peachtree Corners 10 years from now will be exactly like Peachtree Corners is today, then do vote No. It is your right. But if you believe we can be better than we are today and want to see improvement over time, than you should vote YES!

Nine Things to Consider: Posted By: Louie

Rebuttal: Posted by Jeanne

Addendum: What will my new taxes be?

At one mill, if you have a house assessed at $300,000, you will pay $120. If you have 2 cars with a combined assessed value of $60,000, your additional ad valorum tax would be $60 at 1 mill. The only possible increase in Franchise Fees would be on your electric bill of just under 2%. That will only occur if the city decides to enter into an agreement with GA Power (see the GA Power Bill Estimator). If your annual electric bill is $2,000, then the
possible increase would be $40. So the total possible increase for this homeowner could be $220 of which $180 is in taxes, not several hundred dollars.

Let’s look at this same homeowner if the rate is set at ½ mill. Property taxes will be $60 per year, ad valorum would be $30. If the Franchise Fee agreement is set with GA Power, then the max additional out of pocket would be $130.

To calculate your own increase, here is how to do it. Look at you tax bill. You can use your appraised value times $40 divided by $100,000 to get you property tax. Or take your assessed value times .001. For your ad valorum, look at your tag bills. Total the assessed amount and multiply by.001. Then get your total annual electric bill. Multiply that total by .02. That is your absolute maximum out of pocket.

If you look at ½ mill, use $20 per $100,000 and .0005 times your vehicle assessed value. That will likely be closer to what you can expect to see.

It is possible that some of this will be offset by some saving in trash pickup. Folks who currently pay the $10 per month for yard waste pickup should see a savings of $120 as every estimate we have gotten includes yard waste pickup at no additional cost.

Peachtree Corners – The Real Facts about Annexation

There have been some who have stated that annexation of commercial properties is not an issue. That annexation is not occurring. And that annexation can only be successful if we have a vote. We want to address and correct this misconception.

Here is a statement made by some who oppose the city. “Under GA code, there are 5 ways that a community might be annexed by a nearby municipality.  The first 4 require a vote by the residents to be annexed.  The last is the only way lands can be annexed without a vote by the residents.  But it only applies to areas of unincorporated land completely surrounded by an existing municipality and thus it does not apply to us.”

The facts are here. Actually, only one method requires a “vote”, Resolution and Referendum. The Local Legislation method only requires a referendum if the area being annexed contains more than 50% residential property (by acreage) AND includes a population exceeding 30% of the city population or 500 persons, whichever is less. So annexation by legislation can include residential property, no vote required.

Then there are two methods that require some level of agreement from those being annexed. The 100 Percent method requires all to agree to be annexed and is available only in areas contiguous to the city. This is the method Norcross has used to annex the Holiday Inn, a bank and 2 other properties.

Berkeley Lake is using the 60 - 40 Percent method in the area between Peachtree Industrial and South Old Peachtree, on the east side. Based on an open records request, we found that 14 properties have requested to be annexed, from the Berkeley Lake/Duluth border all the way south to the Dairy Queen. These properties clearly are not all contiguous to Berkeley Lake. In fact, there are gaps where properties have declined to be annexed. But they can be annexed provided that the owners of not less than 60% of the land area (by acreage) agree to be annexed. For residential property, it requires 60% of the resident voters in the area to submit the request. If there is a mix of uses, both conditions are applied.

By using this method, Berkeley Lake will also be annexing the West Gwinnett Water Park. Why is this an issue? They have no record for running parks and recreation areas, unless you count their management of the dam on their lake. Also, the park pays storm water fees to the county that go to maintain the county wide storm water infrastructure. These fees will be lost to the county. If they annex all the way to the Dairy Queen, they will also annex Pinckneyville Park.

Using the 60-40 method, Duluth has annexed all of Blue Ridge Industrial Park. Only 9 of the 13 owners agreed to be annexed. However, they represented 72% of the land area. So the remaining 4 properties are now part of Duluth, without their consent.

The annexation of Peachtree Corners commercial properties has begun. Norcross and Berkeley Lake continue to pursue the annexation option. Duluth was successful in obtaining the properties they wanted. So while our neighboring cities are not going for residential property at this time, if these annexations continue, they will be able to exercise the final annexation method, Annexation of Unincorporated Islands. No vote required here. As businesses around us are annexed, what is left of Peachtree Corners become isolated islands and can be annexed unilaterally.

How can we stop this? Vote YES to the City of Peachtree Corners on November 8^th.

Myths and Facts......... a rebuttal

Myth busters – a rebuttal
The Peachtree Corners Ballot Committee (the primary NO organization) has recently been distributing an article about the “Myths and Facts of Peachtree Corners”. Their article lists eleven “Myths and Facts” that they claim Peachtree Corners Yes (the primary YES organization) has been spreading as reasons to vote Yes on November 8th. The reality is that most of these “myths and facts” are simply straw man arguments that the Peachtree Corners Ballot Committee has made up on their own so they could knock down. Read below and note that the reality of each situation is in Bold.

“The Myths and Facts about the City of Peachtree Corners”

In discussing the pros and cons of Peachtree Corners becoming a city, residents have given many reasons for and against becoming an incorporated city. But how many of these are not valid reasons for becoming a city?

Myth #1. “We will have more police protection.”
Not true. Fire and police protection will remain the responsibility of Gwinnett County, as they always have. Unless residents vote later to take responsibility for police protection, and vote themselves taxes 5 to 6 or more times the projected city rate of 1.0 mills, this will not change.
Additional Police protection has NEVER been promised as a result of incorporation.
Existing levels of police protection are expected to continue.

Myth #2. “We can have Peachtree Corners as a mailing address.”
If you live in 30092, you can do that now. In fact the post office is in Peachtree Corners, Georgia,.
How is this a myth if you can already use Peachtree Corners for a mailing address??? The reality is that you can use any city you want for your address and as long as the zip code is correct the mail will get delivered correctly.

Myth 3. “I will vote for it because of the schools and the kids.
Becoming a city has nothing to do with schools or children. Gwinnett County will continue to provide public education, as they do in every city except Buford which has always had its own school system.
Changes to the schools has NEVER been promised or proposed as part of the cityhood initiative.

Myth #4. “More sidewalks.”

Not true. Roads and sidewalks will continue to be handled by Gwinnett County.
Again, improvements to roads and sidewalks has NEVER been promised or proposed as part of the cityhood initiative.

Myth #5. “It will keep the taxes down.”
Not true. Taxes will be raised not only for property taxes, but ad valorem on cars as well, plus franchise fees and a 2% tax on power bills, which we do not have now.

No promise has been made on taxes other than the Charter will ALLOW an increase of UP TO 1 mil. The reality is that franchise fees are already being paid by you to both governmental and corporate entities outside of Peachtree Corners. The only thing accurate in the above assertion is that you would pay for a 2% increase on your power bill – about $40 for a 3000 sq ft house that has an annual $2000 per year power bill. Dunwoody currently generates about $3.1M in franchise fees for a population of 46k. Peachtree Corners should be able to easily generate $2.0M to $2.5M in franchise fees with a population of 38k. Expenses for the new city are estimated at about $0.8M ($800k). Franchise fees alone should generate a significant surplus and as already stated YOU ARE ALREADY PAYING THESE FEES.

Myth #6. “It will keep out development and businesses we don’t want.”
This is nebulous and debatable. Zoning in place cannot change and current county zoning is totally adequate.

Current zoning decisions will be grandfathered in but once the new city is in place new zoning opportunities will be determined by the city. If you believe “current county zoning is adequate” then you must believe that development decisions over the last forty years that brought us the current state of Holcomb Bridge, Pleasant Hill, US 78, Beaver Ruin, Buford Highway, Peachtree Industrial (especially south of the split) and even parts of Peachtree Parkway were all wise, forward looking decisions. Ask yourself? Can we do better than this? Are you happy with the state of these commercial strips?

Myth #7.“It will raise our home values.”
Pure speculation. The economy, the home itself and location determine home prices.

The vast majority of real estate agents in our area believe this indeed will increase home values. These are people have worked in real estate for decades and know what customers are looking for. Common sense dictates that if an area is able to discourage undesirable development and encourage desirable development that people will pay more to live there. Have you ever seen an ad that said “cute Cape Cod located near a store that buys and sells gold”? Of course not because people don’t want to live next to one or near one. Zoning, Code Enforcement and Planning can help bring about higher quality development.
Think about it this way. On a $300k house just a ONE PERCENT increase in home value will generate a $3k increase to your net worth. Is paying 2% more on your power bill (about $40 per year) worth an extra $3k in net worth?

Myth #8. “Voting No is no option.
Of course it is.
Are you serious? Everyone knows that people have the option to vote No. This was not meant literally.

Myth #9. “Peachtree Corners will disappear if we are not a city.”
Of course not.
The reality is that trends over the last forty years, and especially the last ten, show that surrounding cities are aggressively annexing surrounding areas. This is not a scare tactic. This is reality. A recent research paper http://citation.allacademic.com//meta/p_mla_apa_research_citation/3/9/6/0/0/pages396004/p396004-1.php summarizing over 100 academic studies about why cities incorporate in the US over the last fifty years described neighboring cities views toward unincorporated territory (i.e. Peachtree Corners) as follows….
municipalities can be almost predatory in their stance toward neighboring unincorporated territories. they perceive adjoining land as part of their potential future economic base and thus, often seek to annex it. These municipalities are described as monopoly-like in their behavior.
This threat is real. Anyone who says it does not is fooling themselves. Fifty years of data from across the country cannot be refuted. If we do nothing it will happen eventually.

Myth #10. “Vacant buildings will fill up.”
Really. How would this happen?
No one has claimed vacant buildings would fill out. However, logic dictates that as zoning decisions and code enforcement improve our quality of life and by extension the financial viability of our area due to the improved stability brought by local control that companies would be more interested in locating to our area.

Myth #11. “We will be annexed into Norcross.”
Not unless a majority of residents vote to do this.

See above the response to Myth #9. The annexation might not happen next year or even in five years but studies done over the last fifty years about incorporation and annexation show that annexation is indeed inevitable at some point. To say otherwise is to refute massive amounts of data and research done across the country about situations just like ours.

Myth #12. “We will get away from Gwinnett County.”
Not true. Gwinnett County will continue to provide all services except planning and zoning, trash collection and code enforcement. County taxes will not go down/
No one ever said voting yes would do anything except the new city providing trash, zoning and code enforcement instead of the county. To say otherwise is simply not true.

Now, let’s look at the facts.

Fact #1. “Taxes will go up.”

VoteYes supporters admit this. City taxes are zero now and can be raised. The tax on power bills is zero now, it will go to 2%. Franchise and busienss license fees can and will be raised. Ad valorem taxes on vehicles will be raised.

Incorrect. The charter simply allows for an increase UP TO 1 mil. No tax increase is promised and in fact franchise fees will provide more than enough to cover estimated expenses. As stated earlier you are ALREADY paying all the estimated franchise fees with the exception of a 2% increase in your power bill – about $40 for a 3000 sq ft house paying an annual $2000 power bill.

Fact #2. “Another layer of government will be added.”

What is another layer of government if not a mayor, city council and dozens of city employees
Totally false. The word “layer” implies an additional hoop you have to jump through to get something done. This is not like the corporate world where a senior manager is placed between a manger and a director in the company food chain. The government does not work like that. This is instead simply bringing services CLOSER to the end user (the tax payer).
The new city will not have dozens of employees. The feasibility study estimates just a handful of full time employees would be needed. Most services can easily be contracted out. Look at what Dunwoody and Johns Creek do. They are full service cities and have very few employees because services are contracted out.

Fact # 3. “We don’t need a city.”
We don’t need a city because Gwinnett County performs all the services the new city would perform, with no increase in taxes.

“We don’t need a city” is an opinion not a fact. The people will decide on November 8th is they want a city.

Become an informed voter. Read the facts, and ignore the myths.

We agree here. Become an informed voter. The reality is that for minimal cost, or possibly even at a net financial impact to your wallet, we can gain control of our destiny. Ask yourself? Is Gwinnett better off than it was twenty years ago? Am I satisfied with the zoning decisions and pro-growth strategy that has resulted in choking traffic, over developed and declining commercial strips? If so, then you should vote no. If you think you and your neighbors can do a better job than vote YES.

Setting the Record Straight

As we draw closer to our historic vote on November 8^th, we’ve seen a lot of misinformation circulating about the proposed charter for the City of Peachtree Corners. To ensure you have the facts, we’ve put together the following points to clarify the most common misunderstandings:  

MISINFORMATION #1

Creating a city reduces the value of Peachtree Corners.

THE TRUTH: Creating a City of Peachtree Corners puts quality-of-life decisions into the hands of people who live here.

Putting local citizens in charge of decisions that directly affect them and their neighbors will only serve to improve the community. Currently, the 38,000 people in the Peachtree Corners area are represented by one county commissioner whose district includes Norcross and Lilburn (totaling 250,000 people) in a county of more than 800,000. That means that four other commissioners can decide what happens in our community.  Can that one commissioner, who may not always be from Peachtree Corners in the future, and 4 other commissioners who represent a diverse citizenry make better decisions for us than a mayor and 6 council members that live in and are paying taxes to the new city?

MISINFORMATION #2

The charter allows for more services than advertised by its supporters.

THE TRUTH: The City Charter allows for only three services: planning and zoning, code enforcement, and trash pick-up (section 1.12.b of the charter). That’s it. Period.

The charter lists all possible services available to any city to prevent the charter from having to be amended by the State Assembly in case these services are desired by the citizens in the future. However, the City Council cannot unilaterally enact ANY new service without the specific approval of a majority of the voters (section 1.12.c). The citizens of Peachtree Corners are in full control of the growth of the city – the power does not rest in the hands of the elected officials.

MISINFORMATION #3

Taxes can be raised at will.

THE TRUTH: By itself, the City cannot raise the millage rate cap above what is in the charter. The citizens of Peachtree Corners will have protections unlike any other city in the state of Georgia guaranteed to them by the charter that gives them say over increased taxes and services. Only the State legislature can raise the millage rate cap by amending the charter.

MISINFORMATION #4

This is just the beginning…as soon as the city is created it will grow and add new services until it’s a full-blown city controlling all our lives.

THE TRUTH:  The city charter clearly puts the growth of the City in the hands of its citizens. Growth of the City will only happen if a majority of citizens want it to. By themselves, the City Council and Mayor cannot add new services. Our charter is the only one of its kind in the state of Georgia and was explicitly written to give maximum control to its citizens. Furthermore, ANYONE living within the borders of the new city can run for Mayor or City Council and ensure, as an elected official, that the City meet its obligations without over-stepping the bounds desired by the community.

 
MISINFORMATION #5

Creating a City of Peachtree Corners adds a new layer of government.

THE TRUTH: There will be no overlap or duplicate “layer” of services conducted by the newly created City and the County. Planning and zoning, code enforcement, and trash pick-up will be governed by the City, while the County will continue to provide all other services as it does today. No new layer - only neighbors making the quality-of-life choices that are right for Peachtree Corners. The City of Peachtree Corners will bring the government closer to the people where it can be more effective and accountable.

MISINFORMATION #6

Annexation by surrounding cities is not a threat.

THE TRUTH: Annexation of property in the Peachtree Corners area is happening now, and it will escalate if this referendum fails. To say otherwise is to ignore the facts:

·         FACT: There are three ways a neighboring city can successfully annex property. Two of them do not require the votes of the citizens getting annexed (link).

·         FACT: Our homes do not need to be annexed for our property values to be reduced. A city can annex key properties (i.e. Technology Park, The Forum, undeveloped land) and change the zoning without any say or vote from those of us living in the area.

·         FACT: As cities face shrinking revenues due to decreased property values, they are looking for new sources of taxes. Annexation of contiguous properties is an attractive way to raise revenues.

·         FACT: Surrounding cities like Duluth, Norcross and Berkeley Lake have plans TODAY to annex property in or near Peachtree Corners (link, link, link). Norcross is completing the annexation of four properties in the proposed City of Peachtree Corners (link, link); Berkeley Lake has 16 businesses committed to joining their city (link).   Using the 60%/40% method of annexation allows Berkeley Lake to force 40% more acreage to join their city.

·         FACT: The City of Duluth has plans to annex Gwinnett Place Mall and Sugarloaf Country Club (link). How long before The Forum becomes too much of an attractive target for a cash-strapped city to ignore?

·         FACT: The property across the street from The Forum is extremely valuable to the future of our community. Who should be making the decisions on what is developed on that property? A neighboring City Council?  Four other county commissioners with no stake in the development of our community?

·         FACT: If we don’t want to control our community and its borders, we are vulnerable to outside people who do.

MISINFORMATION #7

In order to be annexed, the citizens must be allowed to vote in a referendum.

THE TRUTH: There are three ways to be annexed: 1) a legislative annexation, which requires no vote, just the approval of your legislator.  2) The 60/40 method where if 60% of an area voluntarily agrees to be annexed, another 40% that is contiguous to the 60% can be forced to join the annexing city or 3) the 100% method where the property owners and citizens have a vote and decide. Two of the three can happen without a citizen’s say. It’s important to note that the City of Peachtree Corners referendum chose the route that offers the citizen’s their maximum voice to be heard. Outside annexation attempt need not follow the same route.

Becoming a city and securing our boundaries is the only way to ensure we control our community’s future.

MISINFORMATION #8

The supporters of the City are prepared to issue 30-year bonds to pay for a city hall, government buildings, and vehicles for elected officials.

THE TRUTH: No plans have been made regarding administration of the City. None. No one is drawing up blueprints or shopping for cars. The grassroots Peachtree Corners Yes! group is made up of volunteers who have no legal standing to plan or make commitments regarding the future of the City. Governance decisions will be made by the Mayor and City Council elected by the people of Peachtree Corners in March of 2012.

MISINFORMATION #9

You cannot trust those that support the City referendum.

THE TRUTH: Ultimately, the fate of Peachtree Corners and its future rests in the hands of you and your neighbors. The charter gives the citizens unprecedented power to control the size, scope, and mission of the local government. Those that worked hard to write the Charter felt it was critical to give this power to the citizens, not the government. To say you can’t trust the charter’s supporters is to say you cannot trust your neighbors.

Moreover, the City of Peachtree Corners has been endorsed by Rep. Tom Rice, Commissioner Lynette Howard, Senator Fran Millar, and School Board Representative Dr. Mary K. Murphy. Collectively, this group has over a half century of dedication and service to Gwinnett and the community of Peachtree Corners. Their work and support to bring this referendum to the people provides a level of accountability and reassurance. 

MISINFORMATION #10

We don’t need to become a city – we’re doing just fine the way we are.

THE TRUTH: Assuming things will remain the way they are today is shortsighted. We need not look far to find nearby communities that were vibrant twenty years ago and are in strong need of revitalization today. Do we want to wait for things to get bad before we take action? Unfocused planning and lax code enforcement will lead to community decline and decreased property values.  Betting that a county with shrinking resources can take care of our community’s needs better than we can is a gamble doomed to fail.

As our community ages, we need to take the steps necessary to keep it strong and vibrant. Local control of planning and zoning, code enforcement, and trash pick-up will ensure we continue to grow and remain a great place to live, work, and play.